giovedì 12 settembre 2024

Free will and Satan.

 Robert admires a Catholic apologist, named Trent Horn*, who likes to use big arguments to prove that Catholics are correct in their beliefs**. Okay, let's take a look at God's number one enemy - Satan.

Hey, Satan has got a belly button! Why?

Okay, God creates the angels. Let's assume that he gives them free will so that, if they fuck up, it's their own fault. Remember, if He doesn't give them free will, God is responsible for whatever they do.

Now you must remember that God is all knowing and therefore sees the future (which, incidentally, must make His 'life' a bit boring). As He is about to make the angel Lucifer, he knows what Lucifer's fate will be - Hell forever***. Wouldn't a kind, loving God think, "Ah, look, I just won't make him." Remember that He knows how much Lucifer will suffer. 

Anyway, Lucifer rebels and tries to defeat God. This is an impossible task, and not a fair fight, because God can do anything - He's always going to win. It's like the All Blacks playing a primary school rugby team. Hey, no mean jokes about the ABs!

Make no mistake, God is responsible for Lucifer's (now known as Satan) actions. He just won't own up to it.

I'd really like to hear Robert's views on this - if he reads it.

Back to do some more practice.

Ciao.





* No relation to Tent Horn.


** Though the word 'belief' suggests a guess.

*** Well, at least he will be in charge.

9 commenti:

Second fiddle ha detto...

First of all God is evidently not 'in' his creation. A God, by definition is outside of creation and therefore outside of time. God is....'I am'.
Secondly. hey, lets be fair, I don't know all the answers to your questions, but looking at it to the best of my ability, and it is fun to think about these things, a possible explanation is as follows. Should God not have created any spirits beside himself because a few might go bad? I've heard it said that maybe the reason that Lucifer rebelled was because he was furious that mankind would eventually be above him! It is thought that Lucifer is not just an 'angel' but the very highest group of spirits God created of which there are only a few (7?) and these are cherubims, I could be wrong about which group.
It's like the Judas. He didn't have to betray Jesus.
Maybe the answer is that God is really, really good at putting things right. Lucifer lets God down, ok ....time for plan B.
When you think about our puny minds; it is better to just accept that God is God and follow his advice than try to outthink him!
How was that?

THE CURMUDGEON ha detto...

This is a good post.
In simple words and concept you've pretty much nailed it (no offence to Robert's Jesus).
Theologians and apologists should sit up and take notice. When some simple logic is applied to the whole god as creator and an all-knowing being idea then the whole house of cards falls and no matter what trite nonsense is wheeled out in explanation (see Robert's comment above), the whole thing is exposed as bullshit.

THE CURMUDGEON ha detto...

Brilliant.

THE CURMUDGEON ha detto...

Trite.

Anonimo ha detto...

TC, non capisco.

THE CURMUDGEON ha detto...

'Trite' was a response to Robert's comment, 'brilliant' was an acknowledgement to your post.
Keep up. I think that they are doing re-runs of Clutch Cargo, Torchy The Battery Boy, Diver Dan, Roger Ramjet and Bill and Ben over at TV One if you'd feel more comfortable over there.





The acerbic is back. Yay!

Second fiddle ha detto...

Google gives 'sulphurous' as a synonym for 'acerbic'.

THE CURMUDGEON ha detto...

Thank you.

THE CURMUDGEON ha detto...

Right!
I’ve been upsetting low brow idiots on Facebook but now it’s time to write a new post. I’ll do that when I get out of bed.